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Post by 64298 on Jun 14, 2012 20:53:25 GMT -5
If a person discovered the method Bessler used to construct his wheel how should he proceed?? There are many con artists and patent pitfalls to overcome to make it available to the public. In the meantime the inventor should recieve the honor and any monetary rewards as well A device like that surely will bring a lot of greed in the open and possible threats to the inventors life should it conflict with big oil moneys interests. Not to mention it may also be confiscated by the military as some sort of secret power device
Countrys like the United States patent office wont patent an overunity or perpetual motion device Whats a person who has the secret in his head to do???
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Post by Dr Ramesh Menaria on Jun 23, 2012 15:20:49 GMT -5
Hi 64298 Thanks for joining this forum. I do agree with you that it is an uphill task for any inventor who succeeds to reinvent Bessler's wheel and then, want to establish it. It would invite all sorts of antagonism and clash of egos and vested interests. Brian Martin has produced good literature on Suppression of dissent and he suggests ways how one can overcome the difficulties in this pursuit. He suggests that sometimes it is better to approach via different channel other than scientific departments to avoid the jealousy, and any antagonism. I have also made some suggestions on my FAQ page in this matter. Because of very bulky and ordinary output of power, Bessler's Gravity wheel is not producing any very immediate threat to oil companies as we often think. It may still take a longer time to replace internal combustion engine with efficient perpetual motion so I think one need not get alarmed too much about any conspiracy. Seeking patent for Bessler's wheel is really a big problem, and one must be utmost careful while proceeding for a patent. Besslerwheel discussion forum has some useful discussion over this issue. you may visit the link:"If Bessler solved what to do next??" www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5326best regards, Ramesh Menaria
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Post by kittyandjoe on Sept 12, 2012 10:16:45 GMT -5
TAPEOJ System of Motion
Some 20 odd yrs ago, having read about Orffyreus and his wonderful invention, I discovered a system, which I strongly believe is the one that he had, a combination of components, or parts when put into a family will work in a new and wonderful production of free energy, that has little to do with” perpetual motion” only from the pool of gravity. But can rise to a high degree of velocity. (Possibly to the point of burn-out) I can sympathize with Orffyreus, (and with the scepticism he had to endure) (Quote from, Orffyreus and his Perpetual Motion Machines) “One famous mathematician of the day, Claus Wagner refused to even view the Wheel. He calculated that it was impossible, and against all the laws of physics so there was no point in even considering the possibility” This was what I came up against, to the few to whom I showed my plans, only one “a metal work teacher was over-enthusiastic when he saw what I had, unfortunately he died in a car crash soon after, (spooky to say the least) others couldn’t understand, or visualize it in flight, but sadly of all many adopted “Claus Wagner’s” attitude, and held up their hands to their ears-attitude. I feel trapped in the same boat as Orffyreus, though he had a working prototype, and displayed it, though few believed, and you can understand why Orffyreus was so protective of his machine, one small glance: (a six year old boy could carry away his dream) My idea, I have in drawings, and description is as far as I can go, and am trapped without professional help, or the aid of others, but am conscious of the weight, and effect it could have on others. Orffyreus, had one true friend in the person of Count Karl Landgrave, who was the only one to have seen the internal-works, and also carried it to the grave. What I really need is an enthusiastic audience, of at least 10-20 (experts enough in that field) before a professionally set-up video screen. Giving me the chance to explain with with a pointer. And I have in mind that, to give away my – (or rather Orffyreus’s) idea to the World, as I am now 65yrs old, its display would take a great burden of my shoulders. One may ask why “Perpetual Motion” was, and is so difficult to discover up till now; you may have your answer, I someway have my own belief, that man was denied it from a higher source, let me give you an example: our World has gained great “progress” since 1901 with mans desire, that progress will give us a better World, what has that progress done for us?-given us a happier World! So lets imagine what free unlimited energy would have done for us this last 300 yrs an energy that could be harnessed into God-knows what, (U.F.O.s if you believe in them, appear in that grain) Trains, Ships, possibly all transport, and all the comforts of Life, farther away from a loving God. So why may you ask, am I willing to give it out to the World, I believe we now are living in the end-days, and it is my dream to help the third-World, to bring heat to the artic, and water to the deserts. To return for a moment to TAPEOJ and its internal works, the number of parts can vary according to the number of (say drives) you put in the machine, though it will work on One, Two, Three, or Four. And is totally reversible, same working in horizontal position. These parts or components, can be left out separate on say, the table, but when placed together in the machine, fitted together like a jigsaw and started by the hand, will augment to find a maximum, and there’s my definition of TAPEOJ. At this time I would like it to be known, I left school at 14 (with poor education) and only coming on the Computer in the last year, and may struggle with the names I call the parts of the machine. I believe TAPEOJ is what Orffyreus had and for his sake should be made known to the World.
Joe Hamill
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Post by kittyandjoe on Sept 12, 2012 10:20:26 GMT -5
TAPEOJ Energy I am now convinced that Bessler’s attitude, temperament and situation in life was due to the turmoil of the “reformation”, and religious upheaval of his day, amazingly in all that is written of the man and his machine, not one word was printed, or mentioned of what must surely have effected his person, in the early 1700s in Germany, of all places and note towards the end, the change in Count Karl’s financial position, and his attachment to Orffyreus, (was he too, of the old faith?) and under a lot of pressure from the then authorities of the day, to distance him self from Orffyreus, “much food for thought would you not agree”? I haven’t read much into “Bessler’s little book of codes” because I think it’s a load of “Baloney” it makes no sense for him to put it in code, I believe that’s just baggage picked up because of the puzzle of not knowing what Bessler was hiding. I stress once again it is so important, to give serious consideration to the very few words Bessler said of the internal working of his machine, Orffyreus said Quote; (the Wheel, depends upon weights that “constitute the Perpetual Motion its self, since from them is received the universal movement which they must exercise so long as they remain out of the centre of gravity”, weights are put in a position so they can never obtain equilibrium). So you see, Orffyreus is not referring to the “falling of weights on the down-going side, as is so often said, not gravity in that sense, “but out of the centre of gravity” A trick no! A simple arrangement of weights that can never find rest, so long as the structure of the Machine stays together. Look, let’s go one step farther, I claim TAPEOJ will “drive the down-side down, and the up-side up, and believe the machine may well work better in horizontal position, so we’re not talking of rolling weights falling gently on the down-going-side, or pull of gravity. This is not Perpetual Motion, as you interpret it, but a new source of unlimited free energy that could revolutionise society as we know it. I have TAPEOJ on paper only, if I were to have a working prototype, and had it displayed before the World media, I would find myself even today in the same boat as Orffyreus, no one will pay a large sum for a “Blind” invention, on the off chance of some fraud, and to show the internal works to a potential customer before hand, would be foolish, to say the least. What I have is a system, a new system not contravening any laws, and patent protection may be of little advantage to this particular invention. Now you will notice I claim slight “variation” from Orffyreus, that is no shame to him, we both have the same idea, it’s that I would see different in the material we have today, and the uncontrollable energy TAPEOJ could produce today, because of a precisionally built machine. A new and wonderful power, that its limits are unknown. The machine will work as natural in either way, back or forward, as it is totally reversible, and in horizontal or vertical position, and I am convinced that Orffyreus worked in sub-standard material, and with what is available today ie. Precision, modern light-cast alloy, and soundless motion, the ultimate energy in these last days. My email: kittyandjoe.net Joseph
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Post by kittyandjoe on Sept 12, 2012 10:21:40 GMT -5
TAPEOJ System of Motion
Some 20 odd yrs ago, having read about Orffyreus and his wonderful invention, I discovered a system, which I strongly believe is the one that he had, a combination of components, or parts when put into a family will work in a new and wonderful production of free energy, that has little to do with” perpetual motion” only from the pool of gravity. But can rise to a high degree of velocity. (Possibly to the point of burn-out) I can sympathize with Orffyreus, (and with the scepticism he had to endure) (Quote from, Orffyreus and his Perpetual Motion Machines) “One famous mathematician of the day, Claus Wagner refused to even view the Wheel. He calculated that it was impossible, and against all the laws of physics so there was no point in even considering the possibility” This was what I came up against, to the few to whom I showed my plans, only one “a metal work teacher was over-enthusiastic when he saw what I had, unfortunately he died in a car crash soon after, (spooky to say the least) others couldn’t understand, or visualize it in flight, but sadly of all many adopted “Claus Wagner’s” attitude, and held up their hands to their ears-attitude. I feel trapped in the same boat as Orffyreus, though he had a working prototype, and displayed it, though few believed, and you can understand why Orffyreus was so protective of his machine, one small glance: (a six year old boy could carry away his dream) My idea, I have in drawings, and description is as far as I can go, and am trapped without professional help, or the aid of others, but am conscious of the weight, and effect it could have on others. Orffyreus, had one true friend in the person of Count Karl Landgrave, who was the only one to have seen the internal-works, and also carried it to the grave. What I really need is an enthusiastic audience, of at least 10-20 (experts enough in that field) before a professionally set-up video screen. Giving me the chance to explain with with a pointer. And I have in mind that, to give away my – (or rather Orffyreus’s) idea to the World, as I am now 65yrs old, its display would take a great burden of my shoulders. One may ask why “Perpetual Motion” was, and is so difficult to discover up till now; you may have your answer, I someway have my own belief, that man was denied it from a higher source, let me give you an example: our World has gained great “progress” since 1901 with mans desire, that progress will give us a better World, what has that progress done for us?-given us a happier World! So lets imagine what free unlimited energy would have done for us this last 300 yrs an energy that could be harnessed into God-knows what, (U.F.O.s if you believe in them, appear in that grain) Trains, Ships, possibly all transport, and all the comforts of Life, farther away from a loving God. So why may you ask, am I willing to give it out to the World, I believe we now are living in the end-days, and it is my dream to help the third-World, to bring heat to the artic, and water to the deserts. To return for a moment to TAPEOJ and its internal works, the number of parts can vary according to the number of (say drives) you put in the machine, though it will work on One, Two, Three, or Four. And is totally reversible, same working in horizontal position. These parts or components, can be left out separate on say, the table, but when placed together in the machine, fitted together like a jigsaw and started by the hand, will augment to find a maximum, and there’s my definition of TAPEOJ. At this time I would like it to be known, I left school at 14 (with poor education) and only coming on the Computer in the last year, and may struggle with the names I call the parts of the machine. I believe TAPEOJ is what Orffyreus had and for his sake should be made known to the World.
Joe Hamill
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Post by Dr. Ramesh Menaria on Nov 9, 2012 19:46:50 GMT -5
HI Joe Hamill, kittyandjoe,
Many many thanks for your thought provoking posts. I apologize for the delayed response. I agree with you that “that man was denied it from a higher source. The gravity wheel in fact seems to be an anointed invention. Bessler also believed and Deva reaffirmed.
Your ideas as to why You do not regard Bessler wheel as a form of perpetual motion have some point, yet I am convinced that his wheel was simply an over balancing wheel .
You stated:
[glow=red,2,300]“I haven’t read much into “Bessler’s little book of codes” because I think it’s a load of “Baloney” it makes no sense for him to put it in code, I believe that’s just baggage picked up because of the puzzle of not knowing what Bessler was hiding.” [/glow]
I partially agree with you that codes make no sense unless we are spiritually advanced to judge the revelation. It is a matter of work of spiritual insights when one attempts to solve the riddle via codes and clues. If you are unable to resonate with the soul of Bessler than surely clues and codes are load of baloney as you remarked. Nevertheless, it is true that Bessler hid his works in the codes and they may definitely provide guidance to a true devotee of perpetual motion who is making independent progress in his gravity wheel. I mean to say that his codes serves as source of verification whether your are right or wrong and then, to move forward. I hope you finally succeed in your venture of TAPEOJ by bringing it into ma concrete reality. It is really inspiring to see that in spite of all struggles, and now even at the age of sixty five you are still so much enthusiastic about the perpetual motion. Keep it on.
All the best
Dr Ramesh Menaria
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